but by midnight last night nothing. no deal. cnn's casey wian is in chicago live right now. what are parents doing? because i don't know if there were a lot of parents who didn't know and tried to drop kids off. do they have a contingency plan for all these parents? where do all these kids go? >> reporter: that's the big question, ashleigh. we're at a school where parents can drop children off p from 8:30 to 12:30 this morning. they set it up to provide some temporary child care for those parents who don't have any other alternative. there are only a handful of children inside the school, and one of the reasons why you can see behind me, right there. you have several teachers who teach at this school manning a pickett line. my stance is a lot of parents do not want their children to cross that pickett line and having to against, if you will, their own

teachers. there are churches in chicago. there are parks in chicago that have also set up temporary spaces, facilities for the children to go to. some of them operate four hours. some of them are all day. for many parents we've seen kinds wanders around in this neighborhood who should be in school. that's clearly a big concern for a lot of parents. the teachers say they are very concerned about job issues, specifically job security. there's a new teacher evaluation system being put into place that relies on test scores. the teachers don't like that. they also don't want any changes to their health benefits. the school district for its part says it has made the most generous offer it can to these teachers. a 16% raise over four years for the average teacher. here's what the school district had to say. >> the mayor said last night that this was a strike of choice, a choice by the teachers. the teachers union. that it was aavoidable, and it

was. for the last several days we've been negotiating intensely and made over 20 proposals to improve this offer. apparently we were making proposals at the time they were out walking out on strike. so the mayor believes that this was totally unavoidable. that this can, in fact, be concluded because we are very close, and he has been intimately involved in our negotiations through me. >> reporter: one of the biggest things that parents i've spoken with this morning are concerned about, believe it or not, is the prospect of violence, especially when you deal with older students. chicago, as it's been well reported, is in a violent year here. the murder rate is up 32%. 360 murders in this city so far this year. one week in august there were 14 murders in seven days. parents very worried about their kids out on the street given the

violent climate that has been in this city for most of this year. >> casey wian 25 years since that happened in that city. how many days did you last last time, casey? >> reporter: you know, i believe it was -- my memory serves me correctly, i believe it was 19 days. don't hold me to that. it was a long time. no one wants it to be longer than a day or two here. >> right. our graphics department got that. our crack team got it up right away. casey, stand by if you will. thank you. there's something else you should know lost in all of this. the thousands of kids who do sports. high school football, soccer, all those other things that kids really, really depend on. those are officially shut down. the chicago school system has been petitioning the state to allow the games to go on. we don't know. apparently later on today we should get a decision on that. f-

second hour. >> some of the most difficult points between the union and school is the standardized testing and how it affects pay and how it affects job security. tell me if i'm right or wrong, and tell me how you get bow i don't understand this. >> well, it is a fundamental problem, and thank you for having me on the show. it's beyond merit pay ideas. it's actually job skwurt. currently the plan is to use standardized test score for a significant amount of teacher evaluation. clearly, clearly to anyone who thinks about this for five seconds, we realize that children go into school with different learning capacities, different levels of educational preparedness. i work at a magnet school, so, of course, if they decided that they were going to give merit pay, they might give me a tremendous raise, but my neighborhood colleagues in the

schools that work and do the really difficult work of the working in schools with tremendous socioeconomic conditions, those people would be considered failures. this school system continues to close schools because they call the school a failure, even though these kids are working and teachers are working and children are learning in very, very difficult conditions. it's completely unfair. >> i think that point is well-taken, jay, that clearly some kids in some neighborhoods are just set up to fail, and other kids aren't and don't face the same challenges and standardized testing is more difficult in terms of testing. >> you measure people and close schools based on that and fire people for that? >> that's the fundamental issue right now. you can't fire people for that. >> how else do you evaluate? a lot of parents and i'm one of them. i want to know how good those teachers are and if standardized testing isn't the way to do it,

what other way can we find out who the bad apples are and get rid of them? >> i've got a little bit of bad news for the world. the actual answer to that problem is you have to do a significant amount of time looking in the classroom, having significant classroom observation. that's the only way it can be done. everything else is a certain sense of data-driven madness. the idea that somehow you can measure me by my student's test scores when we don't know when they're coming from and what their backgrounds are, et cetera. i work in a magnet school, so somehow people think i'm the greatest teacher in the world. when i worked on the west side of chicago in difficult conditions, people would say you're a failure. what a lousy teacher you are. you have to get to a point where people spend a significant amount of time in the classroom. >> i agree. i do my best. >> there's a limited time to do it. >> that's it exactly. i have a good job, and i have good pay and good help at home to get me through. this i try to get into that

classroom as often as i can to see what's going on and do my due diligence. a lot of people working two jobs can barely make ends meet getting sleep at night. it is hard. have you lost -- if you've lost rahm emanuel and if he came in at the top of his term as mayor and started making these extraordinary fiscally conservative maneuvers, he's a democrat. this is the land of democrats. this is where obama's campaign is based. if you've lost these guys, do you have hope? >> well, he's definitely been a disappointment not only to the teachers but to the policemen in this town, to the civil servants in this town, the firemen. he has been a huge disappointment. he's disrespected virtually every middle class person in this city. i don't exactly understand why he did that. we can't understand why he has precipitated this strike. we don't know.

we ask ourselves why is he insisting on disrespecting the teachers who serve this community? we don't understand it. we agree with you. we wonder what kind of democrat is he. >> you have to understand it. look, democrats and republicans love their kids equally, and everybody is frustrated with how much life costs these days. we all want to cut back and we want the best services. someone's got to give. both sides have to give equally. are you giving equally, and are you being fair to rahm emanuel, who has always professed these ideals and trying to make ends meet with what he's got? >> well, he's got to walk the walk. he can't talk the talk. again, he came in and disrespected the teachers in this city. we had a contract from the previous mayor, which he ab gated. he basically said you're not going to get the raise that we were actually contractually given. then he turn around and said, however, we don't have the money for that. we have 2% if you work longer. you can't have it both ways.

you early donither don't have t or you do. throughout his entire term, and we don't know why and don't understand it. we don't understand why he would disrespect not only the teachers in this town but the firemen, the police, and every civil servant in this town has been disrespected by this man. we don't understand why. >> i never thought i'd sigh rahm emanuel battling with the unions. for the sake of all those kids in your town, i hope you all can figure this one out, and i welcome you back on the program as hopefully this doesn't go on long. >> we hope it ends soon, too. >> jay, thank you. best of luck to both sides in this particular story. we are back right after this. at usaa, we believe honor is not

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that should do it. enjoy your new shower. [ door opens, closes ] do you think the 112th congress doesn't have much to show for itself, and a lot of americans think just that. judging from these polls. you may expect a burst of activity in the pre-election session that gets underway today. lawmakers tackling a year's

worth of unfinished business, rested and refreshed after five weeks of recess. allow me to burst your bubble. time is short, ambitions are low, and dana bash is live. all right, dana, the latest poll has congress at 10% approval rating. who are the 10% for starters? that's rhett for cal. >> reporter: john mccain likes to joke it's blood relatives and pets. there you go. >> what are we going to actually get -- what do we know for sure will get accomplished? >> reporter: well, we know for sure as sure as we know anything around here that neither party wants the government to shult down before the election. if you look at a list, and i'm not sure to call it a list of one thing, there you have it. congress will pass at least and the house will start this week to pass a piece of legislation to fund the government at

current spending levels through -- for six months. now, i should tell you that isn't necessarily an accomplishment. they're supposed to do their job, which is pass about a dozen spending bills, and they haven't done that at all. this is a stop gap measure. >> are they going to have a banner that says, you know, welcome back mission unaccomplished? it's so frustrating for those of us out here hoping for the best, expecting very little, and are likely to come out with nothing. memories are short, but last year around this time we were talking about a deadline on the sequestration. if you can't get a budget deal in place, these automatic extraordinarily measures come into effect, and now we're getting close to that actual date. can anything be done to stop what's coming at this point? >> reporter: with regard to between now and the leak, the answer is no. there is a long list of things that congress has on its plate that it won't get done. actually won't get done really

before the election. before the end of the year, it's a different story. the first and most important thing is the fiscal cliff. that's what the bush era tax cuts expire and when if congress does nothing, $100 billion in spending cuts go into effect automatically and economists across the board say if those two things happen, then it could sink our economy into another recession. so that would be a very, very bad news. you have a list of other things, and those are just a few of the things, cyber security, violence against women and postal reform, those are a few things in a long list of legislative items that are not likely to get done. >> dana bash, with all your spare time as a working woman, please find me that 10% so i can interview them here, live, on the air and find out -- >> reporter: i'll find them here, because they're mostly probably here. >> dana bash live in d.c. this morning. thank you, ma'am. both chambers get down to business officially right there

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issue 2012. christine romans joins me and gets me off the ledge. i don't know if you can get me off the ledge from the friday jobs numbers. >> this is the most vexing problem in the economy right now, and these are two candidates with very different philosophies on how to fix the jobs crisis. over 8% unemployment, 5 million without work for six months or longer. more than 8 million only working part-time. if there's one thing mitt romney and barack obama can agree on, the economy and more specifically the jobs crisis in america is the issue of this race. mitt romney's philosophy, let the private sector create new jobs. president obama agrees, but thinks the federal government must play a larger role by investing in programs that may pay off in the future. >> i have a plan to create 12

million new jobs. >> romney advisers also claim their plans will add another 7 million jobs over the decaddeca. >> government doesn't create jobs. the private sector creates jobs. >> what's in this romney plan? first, he wants to overhaul the tax code by cutting marginal tax rates 20% across the board. he argues that people have more money in their pocket to buy things, and more jobs are created to meet the demand for goods and services. romney claims that regulations cost private business about $1.75 trillion a year. he says he's repeal obama care and dodd-frank financial regulation, much of which is still yet to be implemented. he plans to reform the regulatory system to make sure it balances the benefit to society with the cost of to business. finally by balancing the budget he plans to inject confidence into the business environment. capping federal spending means hundreds of thousands fewer government jobs at the federal, state and local levels. supporters of romney's plan say

it will create 12 million jobs conservatively, but no president has accomplished it in a single term since the data was first collected in the 1940s. now for president obama's plan. >> jobs must be our number one focus in 2010, and that's why i'm calling for a new jobs bill tonight. >> that jobs bill never panned out, and neither did the $477 billion effort he promoted last year both essentially blocked by congress. what does mr. obama want to do moving forward? similar to what he's proposed to the past. >> we need to create more jobs faster. we need to fill the hole left by this recession faster. we need to come out of this crisis stronger. >> he wants to create jobs in manufacturing and green energy through tax incentives and investment. more spending on infrastructure, the president signed aa more than $100 billion transportation bill in july. extending mostly current programs through 2014. the president also proposed spending $35 billion for school,

police and fire department payrolls along with another 130 billion to shore up state budgets. this was in the failed jobs plan last year. yet to be seen if he's re-ele re-elected whether the plans would have more success than they've had in the last three years. both candidates want to cut the corporate tax rate, expand energy jobs in the u.s. and support small business. whoever is elected will probably have to do all that and much more to get us out of a jobs hold. 12 million jobs sounds like a lot of jobs, especially in one term or two terms. is it possible? >> it's been done before under clinton, reagan and fdr. you had growth rates that were much higher then. we have 1.7% economic growth. >> we have 1.7%? >> next year we could see 2.5%. >> those are the comparisons there? >> those are. that was the average gdp growth, averaged out over the bill clinton duration, gdp growth for ronald reagan, for fdr it was

8.4%. these were very different times and very different job markets, all of them. back to the bill clinton era, that was the very early start of globalization and very different labor market. i will say, however, there are those who say we could have 12 million jobs created no matter who is the president. >> why? >> larry summers said this morning on "starting point," the former treasury secretary. he said the cliff was so steep, when the economy revs up, there's a lot of demand to add jobs. others say those golden days may be over because companies will add jobs last moment and overseas when they come up. >> is larry summer suggesting the harder you fall, the bigger you bounce? >> apparently yes. >> is there history precedent for this? >> it depends. everything is pre-globalization. whether you look at other big painful periods. we won't know until the history books are written about who had the better idea and what worked or not. >> soup bowls and porridge

bowls. all week long you're focusing on th this? >> that's all we're doing. >> that's why i love you. as you know, the august jobs numbers are out and not pretty. alison kosik is here with a couple of tims when you're out there with your economy of one can make ends meet in this tough job market. alison. >> how to find a job and get yourself to stand out, especially after the august jobs report was a big letdown. only 96,000 jobs added to the economy falling short. the unemployment rate fell to 8.1%. that's a sign more people are getting frustrated and leaving the work force and 5 million people have been unexpected for 27 weeks. yes, how can you give yourself an negligent this tough jobs market? jb trade solutions president brad carr says you have to show employers your skills are still sharp. his suggestion is take a class, visit a community college or

technical school or take an online class. there are plenty of places to learn for free. the websites are a place to start, brushing up on excel skills or maintaining a certification shows employers you're ready to hit the ground running. another great idea. volunteer. if you want to make a career switch or develop skills, get some on the job training at local nonprofit. you won't make any money, but it could pay off in many other ways. while you're at it, do networking. training is helpful, but 46% of job seekers in a recent survey say they landed their new gig through networking. work on making connections at places you'd like to work through friends, through family, your social networks, too. a good word to the hiring manager from a person in one of those networks can really make all the difference in moving that resume at least to the top of that pile sitting on that hiring manager's desk. ashleigh. >> maybe don't get discouraged, because man, is it ever

discouraging every time you hear about it. alison kosik, thank you my friend. i appreciate it. a quick note. if you're heading out the door, you can take us with you. continue watching cnn from your mobile phone. it's very cool. watch us from your live desk stop. go to cnn.com/tv and all the instructions are there. i've been a superintendent for 30 some years at many different park service units across the united states. the only time i've ever had a break is when i was on maternity leave. i have retired from doing this one thing that i loved. now, i'm going to be able to have the time to explore something different. it's like another chapter.

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prime minister, the current one, al maliki of carrying out a political vendetta. the vice president is a prominent sunni muslim. al maliki is a shiite. i think you get the picture here. that vp is in exile in turkey. today he declared his innocence. >> i totally reject and will never recognize the unjust, the politically motivated verdict, which was expected from the outset of the trial. >> coinciding with the verdict, a wave of bombings. look at pictures. they are becoming familiar elsewhere. they were up familiar at one time. this time more than 90 people wounded -- 90 people killed and 300 wounded aacrocross the coun. sunni insurgents belonging to al

qaeda in iraq claiming responsibility. you might sum this up in one word. mess. ivan watson is monitoring the developments from istanbul. last i checked the americans spent over $800 billion and a lot of blood in trying to ensure that iraq was somewhat stable. is this headed towards complete loss and a waste of our time and energy? >> reporter: well, it certainly doesn't look good. sunday's bombings killing 94 people at least, more than 300 wounded last summer as a result of similar bombings, the worst violence and death toll in nearly two years, and the country is locked in political paralysis as well. not only is the vice president a fugitive living in exile here in turkey and facing a death penalty, but also the government has been unable to come up with a deal between the rival

sectarian factions and political parties to appoint the top three security posts, the defense minister, the interior instemin and the head of the secret police and intelligence agency as well. it does not bode well. there were efforts to get the parties around the table to work out an agreement. but this death sentence on one of the most prominent sunni muslim politicians appears to have thrown oil, fuel onto an already simmering and bloody fire in iraq. ashl ashl leigm. >> another assignment will get lots of updates on. thank you for that. real goals. the us bank wealth management advisor can help you. every step of the way. from big steps, to little steps. since 1863 we've helped guide our clients, so they can take the steps to help grow, preserve, and pass along their wealth. so their footsteps can help the next generation find their own path.

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money and polls, polls and money. if you're running for president or just about anything else, you need both of those things to go

your way, and right now at least for this moment both of those things are favoring president obama. wolf blitzer joins us live from washington, d.c. i've been missing you because you've been very, very busy doing other things all day long and all night long meaning two conventions. i'm happy to have you back particularly when it comes to the bounce. can you bounce the coming out of the rnc versus the bounce out of the dnc. >> a gallup poll shows there was a nice bounce for the president of the united states. right now according to this new gallup poll that came out, 49% say registered voters aacross the united states say they'd vote for president obama, another four years for president obama. another 44% would vote for mitt romney. there was only a one-point spread after the republican convention. that would indicate a nice bounce for the president coming out of the democratic convention. we have a brand-new cnn/orc poll

we will release later today. we'll see if that's consistent with gallup, if it deviates it a little bit. i have an indication already of what's going on, but i'm not going to share it because i can't until 4:00. to put it mildly, everyone is interested to see if the president does get a significant or modest bounce out of his democratic convention. >> all right. we do call that officially in the business the embargo, and it's an honest and true thing. it's not just a plug for everyone to watch your show at 4:00 p.m. because you're live and have that information at that time. >> yes. >> we should also mention that the rnc, with all the aggregates of polling, didn't get as much of a bounce depending on the poll you were looking at. sometimes it was a one point or two points, but definitely outpointed by the dnc. let me move to money. it was a good august for president obama where money's concerned. >> very good august, because he had been losing campaign to campaign. romney campaign, obama campaign over the past few months, the

last three months. in the last month the obama campaign raised $114 million and the romney campaign raised $111 million. basically even. it's encouraging for the obama campaign because at least they're slightly aahead. let's put it this way. 1.1 million donors to the obama campaign in august. 317,000 first-time donors. the average donation is $58 to the obama campaign. all pretty encouraging. the downside, though, as far as money is concerned is that the pro-republican super-pacs are way, way outraising the pro-democratic super-pacs. so the republicans have a lot more money in the final two months than the democrats will because the republicans do better in the super-pacs than the democrats do. they're more organized and stronger as far as the fat cats are concerned. they're giving big-time to the

republican super-pacs. the democratic not giving so much. >> the upstid fide for republic. the last item for fun, wolf blitzer. talk about a young man by the name of scott van douser fr er fort pierce, florida. i don't think i've seen a president get that kind of treatment from a large man. explain. >> he was obviously very happy to see the president of the united states. watch. if you haven't seen the video yet, you'll see what happens. he's not only so happy to see the president. he's giving him fist bumps and all that stuff. he gives him a little bear hug over there. >> are you a power lifter or what? >> that's just great. >> guess who is going to be in the situation room during the 4:00 p.m. eastern hour today? >> you got him! blitzer. >> stop. >> i thought i would hear a

chorus of oh, my gosh in slow motion from all the secret service that do the advance around there. they had to have known this was coming. >> yes, they did. >> they had advance word. they gave the green light. the president -- everybody knew that this was going to happen, but it happened. it's a nice picture. we'll talk to scott, and it will be fun. get a little reaction from scott to see how he bear hugs the president. we have other -- ashleigh, get excited. you're a regular viewer of the situation room, isn't that right? >> i pop the popcorn at 3:55 every day. >> we have big surprises for viewers. some exciting new developments. not just the poll that we're going to release at 4:00 p.m. you'll see it in the situation room. i'm not going to tell our viewers right now what it is. you'll be happy when you see it. >> oh, wolf, you had me at hello. by the way, next time i see you, bear hug. >> yes, bear hug. okay. you will be especially --

ashleigh, give our viewers a little hint. you personally, ashleign banfield will be excited when you see one development in the situation room today. enough said. just watch at 4:00 p.m. eastern. >> i am on the edge of my table. all right. wolf blitzer, thank you very much. i'm going to give an additional plug. 4:00 p.m. eastern, situation room, the man to my -- well, on your tv would be to my right. anyway, wolf, good to see you. i missed you the last two weeks. mark your calendar for wednesday, october 3rd. that's debate night in america and i call it date night. there's nothing like a good debate for date night. first head-to-head match-up between president obama and mitt romney. we'll bring it to you live from university of denver wednesday, october 3rd, 7:00 p.m. sharp eastern right here on cnn.

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it was called the trial of the century. now a damning accusation is

leveled at a lawyer. an accusation that the late johnnie cochran may have tampered with the most famous piece of evidence from the trial, the bloody glove. christopher darden, a prosecutor in the case according to rutgers news service says o.j.'s lead attorney somehow manipulated that glove before the football star famously struggled in court to try it on. now, cochran was part of simpson's dream team, a collection of high-priced lawyers that successfully fought that case. allen derschowitz was on that dream team, and he's now a harvard law professor and author of "america on trial" and he's live with me now on the telephone. thanks for being with me. i can't imagine you were too happy hearing that accusation from mr. darden. >> it wasn't a matter of happy or unhappy. it's a blatant lie. it's an effort to cover up the greatest legal blunder in the 20th century to ask simpson to try on the gloves in front of

the jury without asking him to try on outside the presence of the jury which he was entitled to do under california law. he was the goad of the trial. people were upset at him for blowing it, so now 17 years later he blames it on the dead man. the problem is he has his chronology wrong. no piece of evidence is given to the defense before its submitted to the court under the supervision by a bailiff or supervision by the judge. johnnie cochran only got ahold of the glove after darden had him try it on. i know. i was there. after the glove was tried on and didn't fit. then the judge gave cochran permission to take the glove back, and we did, in fact, at that point try it on cochran without the latex gloves after it was tried on in court and it was done under the supervision of the bailiff. there's no conceivable possibility cochran had access to the glove before it was tried on. darden is making it up. he's lying to cover up his own

incompetent. >> we reached out to mr. darden to get a comment on this as well as marcia clark, his co-counsel in the case. we couldn't get them to come on the air. marcia clark said she didn't have a comment on this. christopher darden is suggesting somehow johnnie cochran, former colleague at court tv, he needs to introduction. that he somehow may have ripped or manipulated the lining of that glove, and i believe although i was not on the panel where you both were seated last week at pace university, but i believe he was alluding to the fact you may have been in an interview room off of a court and would have had access to that piece of evidence. i have never seen evidence introduced in court that you can sequester in a room off to the side. if what you're saying is true, there has been to be court record that clears this up 100%. >> of course. there are court records. what happened is after he tried it on, we got permission from the court to take the glove back and try it on again, because we

feared that they might ask him to try it on without the latex gloves. i was the person that tried it on him, but it happened after, not before. it would be utter incompetent on part of a prosecutor or judge to ever allow the defendant, the person on trial to have access to a piece of evidence before it was introduced in court and without supervision by the court or some bailiff. it's unheard of. i have practiced law 48 years. i've never heard a suggestion like this made. it is absurd. it is a desperate attempt to cover up his own failure. >> that was a nine-month-long trial. for me to go over the court record and transcripts would take me until, i don't know, december. i haven't checked all of that record. i want to ask you this. if someone there's a glitch and there is no record of, say, i don't know, 15 or 20 minutes of where that piece of evidence was before it was tried on live in court, wouldn't mr. darden have a duty to prosecute johnnie

cochran for tampering with evidence? if that's the case, why wouldn't he, and what are the ramifications for not having done that? >> not only that, he should have objected to it and brought it to the attention of the judge. when he was interviewed a day ago about that, he said he didn't want to be a snitch. he didn't want to be a whiny snitch. instead of bringing it to the attention of the court while johnnie cochran was alive and defended himself, he's the worst kind of snitch. he's blaming it on the dead man and not giving the dead man an opportunity to prove conclusively it couldn't have happened. there's simply no way in which a defendant would ever be given access to a piece of evidence in the way that darden suggested it happened. it would be darden's fault. he had control of the evidence. >> can johnnie cochran's estate sue for libel or slander in this case? >> no. under american law a dead person cannot sue for libel and slander.

i hope darden will make the accusation against me because i was in the room with o.j. simpson and vshg i will own his home and everything valuable to him because i will prove he's lying and making up the whole story. i will contribute all the money that i win to charity. >> professor desrschowitz, thans for being with us. christopher darden has not responded to us reaching out to him yet. to us yet. the same set of values that drive our nation's military are the ones we used to build usaa bank. with our award winning apps that allow you to transfer funds, pay bills or manage your finances anywhere, anytime. so that wherever your duty takes you, usaa bank goes with you. visit us online to learn what makes our bank so different. have led to an increase intands clinical depression. drug and alcohol abuse is up.

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talk about a screw-up. in california the wrong house was foreclosed on twice. crews for the bank wells fargo first locked the place up, and then another crew came by and completely raided the place. take a look at the condition this house is in. boarded up windows. all the valuables taken. three generations of memories gone. alvin built this home with his father back in 1961 and later

used it as a vacation home with his wife and kids, and never had a mortgage, and now they are furious. >> you put your heart into something. that's like -- it makes me real sad. i'm just glad i have my sweetheart. we've been together a long time. >> so they lost all their things, and they can't get them back. criminal defense attorney jill davis joins me now to tell me how big a wheel barrow the bank needs to buy to deliver the money in any kind of settlement or civil case that they can file against the bank. hi, jill. >> hi. how are you? >> good. man, i could not believe this could happen, and it's not the only case. it hpz a lot. >> oh, isn't this terrible? i mean, not once, but twice, and wells fargo, if they -- you said wheel barrow. i thought when i read about this that if they don't come up and

write a big old fat check, can you imagine what a p.r. nightmare this is going to be even going forward. i can't believe it came to this already. these poor people had to call them a couple of times, and it's -- we're not -- i mean, the choices are get your stuff back or write them a check. i mean, the dilemma is in this what do you do when i think it was his grandfather's world war i uniform. personal memories and momentos that you can't -- you can't put a dollar amount on those, but the problem, i mean -- the option is you have to. i mean, they're going to have to. >> well, and the pain and suffering and punitive and all the other things that i can think makes the pot even bigger if you are going to have to go as far to file civil action. i should just mention, jill, that this is all a big mistake. apparently there was a home nearby, and it was supposed to be the target. this was just a stupid mistake, and i'm going to tell you what the bank is saying. they've released this statement, and there's a heck of a mea lpa here.

they say we are deeply sorry for the deep losses that the family suffered as a result of the home being mistakenly secured. i have never heard of a situation like this before. we're going to work to resolve this. obviously, we would never want it to happen. we're going to do what with need to do to rectify it." here's the thing, banks have to protect the properties that they foreclose on or else they overgrow and they can become disasters in their own right, and they hire subcontractors to do that, so now is the bank and the subcontractor both liable for what happened? >> yes. i would think so. in this particular case there was vandalism where even though they hired people to take care and protect the property like you were talking about, there have been whether it be kids or vague rants who had broken into the home, because they found bongs, beer bottles, so, i mean, even though -- it does look like and sound like wells fargo had done and obeyed and complied with the laws with regard to taking care of the property that they foreclose on. it still happens. so the contractors that came in

and had their workers if they -- there was damage or liability we had, then they both can be liable, and i think they're coming with hat in hand in this particular case, as they should. >> i think you're right. jill davis, great to see you. let's do this again sometime. >> okay. >> thanks. live from houston, thank you, ma'am. >> and, by the way, despite the destruction of the home, alvin's wife of 56 years is keeping her head up about this pointing out that the family will always have their real memories and not the physical ones. ♪ [ acoustic guitar: upbeat ] [ dog ] we found it together. on a walk, walk, walk. love to walk. yeah, we found that wonderful thing. and you smiled. and threw it. and i decided i would never, ever leave it anywhere.

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